Former NSA Officer Says That 9/11 Whistleblower Was Murdered in a Black Ops Hit
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February 22, 2013
This week former National Security Agency officer Wayne Madsen said
that he is “100% certain” that 9/11 investigator and author Philip
Marshall and his two children were killed in a black ops hit.
He put forward his views on the Kevin Barret Radio Show, and
the full transcript is provided below:
BARRETT: Welcome to the Kevin Barrett Show. I’m Kevin Barrett, back from a long vacation.
I just spent two weeks in Iran over at the film festival, The
Hollywoodism Conference, as part of the as part of the Fajr Film
Festival in Tehran. And wow, that was pretty exciting, and one of the
pieces of news that arrived from the US of A while I was in Tehran was
the killing of Phillip Marshall and his two children in California.
Phillip Marshall is a retired United Airlines pilot, he’s written a
couple of books about 9/11, most recently “The Big Bamboozle”, he was a
former associate of the CIA/DEA informant Barry Seal, the notorious CIA
cocaine smuggler, and if you think Phillip Marshall killed himself and
his two children as the police are trying to claim; well, I don’t
know…you need to go back to school.
Today I’m going to be talking about this tragic case of an apparent
9/11 whistleblower being silenced with one of my favorite sources of
leaks from inside the US Intel community, the thinking man’s Seymour
Hersh, and that is Wayne Madsen.
Wayne Madsen is formerly with the National Security Agency, he has
since become an independent patriot journalist doing consistently
excellent work, and well, It’s an honor to welcome Wayne Madsen back to
the show. How are you Wayne?
MADSEN: Fine, good to be with you.
BARRETT: Yeah, well I do follow your work, and you’ve made a number
of very interesting breakthroughs, and your piece on Phillip Marshall is
very important. I mean, those of us in the 9/11 Truth community should
not just take it lying down when somebody is murdered along with their
children to keep this covered up. I think that’s more or less what
happened to Paul Wellstone as well.
These people have no shame; I mean killing the children all with
their targets, it’s absolutely disgusting. Why don’t you give the
listeners sort of a rundown on Phillip Marshall?
MADSEN: Well Phillip Marshall, I have to admit I wasn’t all that
familiar with his work, but when I read his biography along with
the…some really scurrilous news reports that, ‘yknow, he was this,
‘yknow, this repressed killer who snapped, and put a gun on the head of
his 17 year old son and his 14 year old daughter, and his little pet
shih tzu, Suki, y’know, you start to wonder what in the world is going
on here. Now, of course, being an independent journalist, I’m not the
New York Times, or the Washington Post, or even the San Francisco
Chronicle, where I can, y’know, dispatch people to investigate all these
mysterious murders, so I have to pick and choose the ones which I can
look in, but this one was so far up on the radar screen, I flew out to
California. Phil Marshall lived in a very small, gated sub-development
outside of the town of Murphys, which is in the foothills of the Sierra
Nevada Mountain range and he lived in a sub-division called Forest
Meadows — mostly retirees from San Francisco Bay Area, Los Angeles.
Phillip Marshall himself moved there about 10 years ago from Santa
Barbara. As you mentioned he’s a retired United Airlines pilot. He moved
up to Murphys to have more seclusion because he planned on writing some
books. Now his first book was a novel, but based on real life
occurences, called Lake Front. Lake Front being the New Orleans Downtown
Airport which saw a lot of traffic in the early to mid 80s associated
with…later with the Iran-Contra scandal, but a lot of CIA activity
involved involved with the Drug Enforcement Administration with one
Barry Seal…
BARRETT: Wayne I’m sorry to interrupt you but you’re starting to break up a little bit, are you on a cell phone?
MADSEN: Oh, yes, can you hear me now?
BARRETT: Hello, Wayne?
MADSEN: Yes, hello?
BARRETT. Hmm. That’s very odd.
MADSEN: Hello?
BARRETT: We seem to have got some interference pushing Wayne Madsen offline…
MADSEN: Hello? Hello?
BARRETT: … and hopefully we will get him back on the air in short
order. That’s pretty interesting, two shows in a row where I’ve had this
kind of mysterious interference. Hmmm.
MADSEN: Hello?
BARRETT: At least I must be doing something right. Are you there Wayne?
MADSEN: Yes, hello. Can you hear me?
BARRETT: Yeah, yeah, something…we just had your…yeah…your voice started breaking up.
MADSEN: Well, listen…yeah…this is something that actually plagued me
when I was in California looking into the Phil Marshall case. I’m not
sure how much you heard, but so Marshall’s first… He moved to Calaveras
County from Santa Barbara about ten years ago for more seclusion because
he planned on writing books, and the first book was called Lake Front,
about Lake Front Airport in downtown New Orleans, where he and Barry
Seal worked together in the early 80s. I would point out there’s also a
photograph that has shown up showing Phil Marshall in 1984 at the Mena
airfield in Arkansas. Now this is the famous, or infamous, airport that
was the scene of a lot of cocaine smuggling from Latin America in return
for US weapons being shipped to the Contras in Nicaragua and the
various drug cartels. And I spoke to one of Phil Marshall’s long time
friends who said that Phil Marshall went to work for Eastern Airlines
first after he was a DEA and CIA pilot, ferrying among others Barry Seal
around through New Orleans and Mena airfield. But Phil Marshall went to
work for Eastern Airlines, but later he was looking at the television
in, I guess, 1986, when a big story broke and we saw a uniformed Marine
Corp. Lt. Colonel take an oath before a Joint Sub-Committee of the
Senate and House, and he pointed the guy out and said “Hey, I met him
down at Lake Front Airport.” And that was, of course, Lt. Colonel Oliver
North who turned out to be, y’know, one of the key players in the
Iran-Contra scandal.
Marshall had some interesting connections early on, and it looks like
towards the end he was becoming someone more interested in telling the
truth than having anything to do with his former acquaintances and
associates, which makes the Sheriff…the Calveras County Sheriff’s
contention that he shot his two children, his dog and then himself even
that much more unbelievable.
BARRETT: Right, and he was obviously mixed up with some pretty high
level organized criminals in his days as an associate of Barry Seal.
Maybe the listeners may not remember that Barry Seal was gunned down in,
I think it was Baton Rouge, or New Orleans, one of the two…
MADSEN: Baton Rogue, 19…February 19th in 1986.
BARRETT: Right. And Barry Seal had been a CIA drug pilot. This was
part of the Cocaine-for-the-Contras thing that Olly North and probably
George H.W. Bush, was smuggling cocaine with the CIA to support the
Contra insurgency in Nicaragua. And then Barry Seal got gunned down in
Baton Rogue after he had turned just state’s evidence against, guess
who, his own lawyer, Richard Ben-Veniste, who later served on the 9/11
Commission. Very interesting tie-ins here.
MADSEN: Yeah, and the interesting thing is too is that Barry Seal was
a CIA/DEA informant turned whistleblower. He was gunned down in Baton
Rogue. The federal judge, Polozola, who was actually a crony of the Bush
family, sort of put him in a limbo category. Seal was offered Witness
Protection Program but that would have meant he would have had very
little contact with his family, he wanted something different. The
federal judge who was linked to the Mafia, and the Marcello crime family
in New Orleans, and we know about that link to previous incidents in
New Orleans involving…
BARRETT: Wasn’t the Marcello crime family, weren’t they actually tied into the Martin Luther King assassination, as I recall….
MADSEN: Also John F. Kennedy.
BARRETT: Right.
MADSEN: Also that of John F. Kennedy.
BARRETT: So they’ve worked with the CIA and other government bad guys in these kinds of assassinations.
MADSEN: That’s right. So we have a have a dirty judge who basically
left Seal out to dry. He was gunned down, I think, he was shot multiple
times in his car in the parking lot of a Salvation Army in Baton Rogue.
They looked in the trunk in his car, they found the private phone number
of George H.W. Bush, in addition to Seal’s Honduran passport, which was
issued, of course, in another name. Seal was very connected to these
operations. Marshall knew him well enough because Marshall basically
flew Seal around in a CIA Lear jet after, of course, Seal had his
license revoked, his pilot license revoked after his arrest. Seal
himself had been a former pilot for TWA, and I believe he was the
youngest pilot in the airline’s history. Marshall himself was a pretty
young pilot for Eastern, but when Frank Lorenzo took over Eastern and
went after the pilot’s union and the other unions Marshall said “I’m not
going to be a scab, I’m not crossing pickets lines”, so he left Eastern
because of the anti-union…the union busting policies of Lorenzo and
went to work for United.
BARRETT: Hmm. Wow. What an interesting history.So somebody who’s been
this involved with, well, CIA, DEA, the drug smuggling, the dark side
or overworld of the government, maybe is not supposed to be doing 9/11
truth books. Is that the message that was sent by this killing?
MADSEN: Well, I’m not certain. I’ve spoke to many of Marshall’s
neighbors, friends and none of them, of course, believe the official
story that he did this. The person they described to me was a very
mellow guy, with a sense of humor, who cared all the world about his
kids, who participated in his son’s little league games and with the
football, and took the daughter on outings with her high school friends,
very involved with the community, very involved with her school, so of
course when this tragedy occured there’s a memorial at the high school
in San Andreas, California, but none of Marshall’s family who flew out
there were allowed to attend. They came in from Georgia, and from North
Carolina, and from his native Louisiana, and because basically the
Sheriff put the word out that he did it; y’know, a conclusive report,
even though, y’know, the crime scene had not been thoroughly
investigated. And I also discovered that the Calaveras County Sheriff,
who I might add I understand is sort of in line with the Tea Party
Republicans, sent in professional cleaners to clean the crime scene
before the investigation was actually complete. On two occassions…
BARRETT: Wow.
MADSEN. …On two occasions that the cleaners were there, there were
SUVs spotted in the driveway, people combing the house inside and
outside. One night was with five or six guys with flashlights looking
around the grounds behind the house, they were in the house. One vehicle
with State of California tags, even though the Sheriff said it was a
county matter and it had no state involvement in the investigation. And
there was another SUV, license undetermined, with an array of
communication antennas bristling from the roof of the vehicle, so there
was a lot of attention after the yellow tape was removed and it was no
declared as no longer as a crime scene. There was also an attempted
break-in. I was there on the 13th of February, and looked around the
house, spoke to a bunch of the people who lived in the neighborhood, and
that evening the home was broken in to, somebody got through a sliding
door in the back of the house and was after something. Also members of
his estranged family showed up the next day and rifled through various
drawers and boxes in the garage looking for something. It seems like
Phillip Marshall had something somebody wanted, and something that
somebody was willing to kill for, and he told a friend of his, after his
last book he wrote that came out, I believe in November, and he was
actually on a interview on AM Coast-to-Coast with Susan Lindauer, who
many people may be familiar with also…
BARRETT: Yeah, she’s been on my show many times.
MADSEN: Yeah, so he was on Coast-to-Coast with Susan Lindauer, and
y’know, his book The Big Bamboozle, about how, y’know, the Bush family,
Cheney, the Saudi Government, they were all complicit in 9/11; he also
added the Neo-Cons in that.
BARRETT: Let’s not forget the Neo-Cons…
MADSEN: Yeah, right. And more importantly, he told a friend of his
that he was working on a fourth book, and he said “you’re really going
to be shocked to see what I have in this fourth book.” Now what that
book was nobody seems to know what the subject was, nobody seems to
know, but… Being a New Orleans native, and I have to add too that he was
such a fan of the New Orleans Saints that when the team suspended the
coach for some, I guess, rule infractions with the NFL, he actually paid
for planes with banners to fly over the stadiums, arenas…stadiums where
the Saints were playing saying, y’know, “Free the Coach.” The fact is,
this murder took place, these shootings took place two days before the
Super-Bowl was going to be at the Super-Dome in New Orleans, and Phil
Marshall told all his friends that he was anxiously awaiting the Super
Bowl, even though the Saints weren’t in it, it was in the Saint’s,
‘yknow, home stadium, and certainly they, ‘yknow, they said that…not
only did he never show any signs of that depression, but they said he
certainly wouldn’t have done anything like that two days before the
Super Bowl was going to be held in New Orleans.
BARRETT: Wow. So in terms of speculation about what information he
might have had that would be worth killing him for, do you have
information on that?
MADSEN: Well, looking at the people he knew early on; Barry Seal, now
Barry Seal was a member of the Group of 40, a shadowy CIA group that
included people like Ted Shackley, Porter Goss, Felix Rodriguez – as a
matter of fact there was a photograph of many of these individuals taken
in February 1963 in Mexico City. Several months later, of course, Lee
Harvey Oswald shows up in Mexico City, not as I feel, or many other
people feel, was to make contact with the Cubans and Soviets to kill
President Kennedy, but to find out what the Group of 40 was doing,
because as we later found Lee Harvey Oswald was an informant for both
the Central Intelligence Agency and the FBI.
BARRETT: That’s right. I had Judith Baker on the show in November.
Judith Baker was Lee Harvey Oswald’s girlfriend, and she said that
Oswald, like her, was working for US intelligence, he was informing for
the FBI, and he was actually spying on the people that were hatching the
plot against JFK.
MADSEN: Right. So considering that New Orleans was so key in the
Kennedy assassination, and y’know, we know that Jim Garrison was on the
right track and he was derailed, both from without and from within his
own group, and the Marcello connection, and the Guy Bannister
connection, all the other connections; Fair Play for Cuba, the front
group that Oswald associated himself with. All headquartered in New
Orleans. Clay Shaw, one of the unindicted, y’know, Garrison went after
him but he got off that. All centered in New Orleans, knowing that
later, of course, Barry Seal, who was a member of that Group of 40 as an
associate of Marshall, Marshall’s flying him around. My gut feeling,
and I have no way to know this for certain; this is 2013, this is the
50th anniversary of the killing of President Kennedy. If I were a
veracious researcher as Marshall was, and he moved up to this area to,
y’know, for more seclusion, so he would have time to write books…I mean,
when you look out his back window you see, y’know, the Sierra Nevada
range, and, y’know, it’s quite idyllic for an author, I, y’know, got
really jealous of the people who lived up there, because, y’know,
there’s a couple of other authors that live in the neighborhood, but
y’know, I just wonder if somebody handed him something – Somebody he met
in the past who showed up and said, “hey, you’re an author, how about
this information?”, and maybe he was working on something either
directly related to the JFK assassination, or peripherally involved,
something, maybe another take on Iran-Contra, because some of the same
players were involved in that; notably George H.W. Bush. So, it’s hard
to say, but it had to be something so important that they were willing
to kill Marshall and his two children and the dog for. The dog, of
course, I believe, was shot because it was a shih tzu, and they’re known
for being very yappy when somebody who they don’t know comes onto the
premises, but I believe the murder of Marshall and his family had
something to do with his next book.
BARRETT: Wow, yeah, I would think so too, although the Kennedy
assassination did happen fifty years ago, and Iran-Contra was, what,
thirty some years or so ago, and 9/11 was just a little over a decade
ago, and since he’s worked on that issue, and it’s, y’know, the people
who did 9/11 are all still in power. I think are lot of the JFK
criminals have probably retired, or passed to their eternal punishment,
but…so I wouldn’t wonder if it wasn’t something 9/11 related.
MADSEN: Possibly, or he was actually interlinking all three events
from 1963, through the 80s and Iran-Contra to the 9/11 attacks, because
we see some of the same players, of course, same agencies involved, but
that’s just a guess on my part. Or he was working on something totally
unrelated that, again, was maybe something to do with the Columbian drug
cartels, and his time with DEA. Maybe he was looking into that.
Certainly there would have been a reason for professional assassins to
hit him and his family if that’s the angle he was pursuing. But
without…the interesting thing is nobody’s sure what happened to his
computer; it’s no longer in his home, it was ripped from the wall. It
may be in the hands of the Calaveras County Sheriff’s department, or
maybe in the hands of his estranged wife’s family, but nobody’s really
certain what happened to the computer and his files, and it’s one of the
leads I’m still trying to pursue, to see if he gave information, or
handed information to anyone for safe-keeping.
BARRETT: Well I would sure hope he would have. I mean, if you’re
working on something really hot as he said he was. I mean, you Wayne, in
the business that you’re in, you know that if you’re in that situation
you’re in, you’re going to make sure that information is spread into at
least a few areas where, if something happens to you, it’s going to be
available.
MADSEN: Absolutely, and as I say, the house has been gone through
several times by professional cleaners, and ‘unauthorized cleaners’,
quote unquote, but y’know, of course the Calvera County’s Sheriff… I was
told by people in County government, that they’re really the mountain
version of the Keystone Kops, that not only I mentioned the politics,
even though the Sheriff is a non-partisan position, but they’re really
rather incompetent up there. They’ve been trying to hire fifteen new
sheriffs, and, y’know, in a budget-strapped county, they say “you’re not
doing a heck of a lot with the sheriffs you’ve got” and, y’know, the
answer has been “no”, because they’ve just not able to handle these
kinds of investigations. And also, they would be also prone to any
federal agency coming to them with, y’know, a preordained reason for
these deaths, telling them “this is the story you’re going to put out”
and then, y’know, agreeing to that, certainly.
BARRETT: Yeah, that sounds reasonable. Wasn’t, wasn’t Calaveras
County…wasn’t that where Mark Twain had his celebrated jumping frog?
MADSEN: Yes, that’s in Angel’s Camp. That’s in Angel’s Camp, and
that’s just down the highway 4 from Murphys, where Marshall lived, so
you take the mountain road down to Angel’s Camp and you find where Mark
Twain wrote about the jumping frog contest. And Twain lived in that
area, and he did a lot of writing actually there, and he worked for, he
actually worked for some newspapers up there. It’s just a shame
that…Y’know I spoke to some journalists up there, that papers do as best
as they can with limited resources; the Calaveras Enterprise, which is
San Andreas… they, y’know, try to investigate these matters, but
they’re really reliant on the Sheriff’s department for most of their
information, because they just don’t have the resources, and you’ve only
got, maybe, two or three full time reporters trying to cover everything
from, y’know, high school football games to murder, to, y’know, police
busting the very many meth labs that exist in the area.
BARRETT: Hmm. Wow. Sounds like the true setting for a contemporary
murder mystery, which is pretty much what we’ve got here with the
killing of Phillip Marshall, the author of The Big Bamboozle, among
other books, sitting on some very hot information he was going to
reveal, and now, who knows where that all is? Well, we’re going to take a
midpoint break here, and be back in five minutes. I’m Kevin Barrett,
this is the Kevin Barrett Show on “No Lies Radio”, talking with Wayne
Madsen, the celebrated independent journalist who actually flew out and
investigated the apparent murder of whistle-blower Phillip Marshall.
We’ll be right back.
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BARRETT: Welcome back.This is The Kevin Barrett Show on
NoLiesRadio.org. The website for the show’s
truthjihadradio.blogspot.com. And today I’m talking with Wayne Madsen,
he’s a former National Security Agency officer turned whistleblowing
journalist. In fact he’s a conduit for whistle blowers, and a real
journalist, which is why you really should go to his website,
waynemadsenreport.com and sign-up, pay him a pittance for his trouble,
because Wayne actually does things like fly out to California to
investigate the apparent murder of 9/11 whistleblower Phillip Marshall.
He doesn’t have the resources of the Sacramento Bee, or the San
Francisco Chronicle, but he does have that dedication to truth, and we
need some, y’know, real journalism to be happening the way things are
going these days.
Well, Wayne, we’re talking about this Phillip Marshall incident,
where he and his two children were killed, in what seems a fairly
obvious assassination. The, well, let’s call them, the
less-than-thoroughly trustworthy
local sheriff’s department, is trying to call it a murder-suicide, but
there’s all sorts of evidence that’s it not, and in one of your earlier
reports, you mentioned that the sheriff says that the houses are so far
apart that nobody would be able to hear gunshots, and when you went out
there you found out that wasn’t exactly the case.
MADSEN: No, as a matter of fact, the houses are very close together,
but horizontally and vertically, because basically, this sub-division,
Forest Meadows, is built on a mountainside, and so you’ve not only got
homes close to one another next door, but also almost on top of one
another. You could be looking down on a neighbor’s home just as easily
as looking across at it. I understand that, y’know, one neighbor told me
that ….y’know, look, the homes are so close together, that one neighbor
could hear Phil Marshall whistling inside his house…
BARRETT: Wow.
MADSEN: So, that’s not what…that’s not what the Sheriff said.
Obviously a silencer must have been used. Many neighbors thought that
was the case. They believed the Sheriff said “no, there’s no indication
of a silenced….” Marshall had a 9mm Glock. He was found lying on his
back, shot in the left side of his head. One of the things I’m trying to
find out is if he was right handed or left handed, I’m still trying to
get that. But he was shot in the left side of his head, once, he was
lying on his back with the gun underneath. Now, people react differently
to gunshots, that could have been the case, y’know, if we consider it
was a suicide, but the odd thing is is that he joked to his neighbors
that even though he had this registered 9mm Glock he never had…he said
“a lot of good it’ll do me, because I don’t have any ammo for it.” Now
one of the things the Sheriff said he found was a box of 9mm ammunition
with Marshall’s wedding ring on top of it. Friends and neighbors told me
that after his separation from his wife, Marshall never wore his
wedding ring, and so, why did the Sheriff leak this? The Sheriff leaked
this to a family member, and of course it was picked up by the media, so
it looked like there was some sort of attempt by the Sheriff to steer
the media in a certain direction, even though, one, neighbors said that,
y’know, he had no ammunition for this gun, but if it’s registered
obviously there’s a record that Marshall owned a 9mm Glock, so if
somebody had a similar weapon they could have shot him with that, made
it look…y’know, used his weapon, put it underneath, make it look like he
did it. Interestingly enough, two reports the Sheriff has not released
yet: the toxicology tests to make sure that Marshall and his kids, and
even the dog had not been, y’know, put under by some sort of, y’know,
drug, and also the GSR, the Gunshot Residue Report, and that would be
very critical to determining whether he shot himself, y’know, they do
the paraffin tests and all that; whether he did it or it was, y’know,
another assailant. So two critical reports. And even the local papers’
having trouble getting that GSR report. The toxicology, the claim is,
it’s being handled by the chemist, y’know, the people who do that in
Sacramento, so that’s delayed because of their backlogs. So two critical
reports are out and the Sheriff still, with that in mind, has said
conclusively that Marshall shot his kids, his dog and then himself.
BARRETT: Conclusively.You wonder how far they can go in falsifying
these reports about crime scenes, y’know, there are at least celebrated
cases where Gary Webb is shot twice in the head and it’s called suicide,
or Paul Wellstone’s plane goes down a week after he gets a threat from
Cheney, and obviously dubious circumstances right before Wellstone is
going to sweep into victory and stop the Iraq war and investigate 9/11,
boom, his plane goes down, and they tell us there was bad weather, and
there wasn’t, the weather was perfectly good, yet the whole news media
tells us there was bad weather. How far can they go in making up these
ridiculous stories, that the houses were so far apart that nobody could
hear any gunshots when the houses were right on top of one another? I
mean, obviously shot with a silencer. I mean, aren’t these people going
to get caught?
MADSEN: Yeah, and we should remember that Hunter S. Thompson was
supposedly working a major article on 9/11. He supposedly shot himself
too, and there were reports of maybe more than one type of gunshot
there, so yeah, it happens, but as long as we have an FBI that’s
complicit in these crimes, either through commission or omission, and a
runaway Central Intelligence Agency, which if Obama gets his way, we’re
going to get a pathological, remote control murderer in charge of that
place, John Brennan. As long as this continues and we’re going have a
weak Congress, which does not exercise even the, I would say, even the
weak sort of control and oversight exhibited by Congress in the 70s by,
y’know, I mean, give them credit, Frank Church and Otis Pike in the
House, and Bella Abzug in the House, and they did what they could, but
under tremendous counter-pressure, but we don’t even have anything like
that these days to restrain these agencies, so, y’know, when people say
“the CIA may have done it”, or some other black ops group in the US
government, y’know, people say “oh, that’s conspiracy theory” – we’ve
had the Senate already go on record, and the House, in the 1970s talking
about these quote-unquote ‘conspiracy theories’ and documenting them in
official House and Senate reports. So, I mean, this pejorative term
that thrown around by the Neo-Cons… they think that they’re so
invulnerable that you can’t charge them with anything like them being
like cult Kabbalists. Even Wolfowitz jokingly referred to himself and
his cronies as “Kabbalists”, but if you say that you’re being
anti-Semitic. So they can use all the pejorative terms in the world,
but, y’know, we’re not allowed to retaliate or respond to them. It’s a
great deal for them.
BARRETT: Yeah, there seems to be a lot of energy put into shaping the
discourse, and y’know, developing these words that can be used to stop
people from thinking like the word “conspiracy theorist”, and that term
was apparently…we’ve traced it to a CIA memo, that was put out to their
journalists assets. Of course, Operation: Mockingbird was the the CIA
program that developed all of these journalist assets, and as I recall
Cord Meyer was the head of that program, and he was named along with LBJ
as one of the two top guys in the JFK assassination by Howard Hunt in
his deathbed confession. So, right, anyway, this CIA memo said that all
the CIA assets in journalism should start using the term “conspiracy
theorist” to bash anybody asking questions about the JFK assassination.
At that time, of course, we were told Oswald was the lone assassin, so
anybody who said there was another shooter was a conspiracy theorist
because there must be a conspiracy…but now they’ve got that term out
there to attack anyone who questions authority with. They use it in even
absurd cases like 9/11, which of course is a conspiracy, there is
obviously more than one person involved, and yet they throw this
completely meaningless insult at people to try and shut them up, and it
seems to work; a fair number of otherwise intelligent people…
MADSEN: Yeah, and they did that of course, the press; one of the
local papers out there, the one in Sonora, the Union Democrat, was
really vicious against Marshall. Not only did they call him, y’know, a
cold blooded killer who snapped, just in a headline, y’know, that he was
a 9/11 conspiracy theorist…This was all in their report. They weren’t
the only paper, they were the worst, and why I say they were the worst
was Phil Marshall’s first wife, who lives in New Orleans now, contacted
that paper with a screed against her husband. She hasn’t seen him since
1998, since they were divorced. She lives in New Orleans, he moved to
the West Coast, but they said “well, she said things like she was
abusive, he was violent, he used foul language, he had two kids by his
second wife, but he wouldn’t have any kids with me.” As if that’s
relevant to anything…
BARRETT: Right…that explains where she’s coming from.
MADSEN: Right, and I checked this person, and y’know, it’s
interesting, she’s been in and out of court and, y’know, her
husband…litigation, suing contractors…and the husband, interestingly
enough, sued his employer, which it turned out to be the Department of
Energy, and this individual who the first wife’s married too is the…is
an auditor for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, down in Louisiana,
that’s run by the Energy Department, but that we know that reserve is
tied in directly to the oil industry, and y’know, when we talk oil,
we’re talking Cheney, we’re talking Bush.
BARRETT: Wow. That’s very interesting. So not only might this person
have had a grudge against her former husband, but she might have reason
to be willing to go along with suggestions that she slam him in the
media.
MADSEN: Exactly. Exactly.
BARRETT: Yeah, wow…It’s kind of sad how little integrity there is in some of these places.
MADSEN: Yeah, yeah. Y’know, again, when it points all back to New
Orleans…it’s very interesting. One of things I wanted to mention about
Barry Seal; Barry Seal’s case was handled by this Bush crony, but
y’know, he had 1.2 million dollars in assets that there was a big battle
over. Y’know, the IRS want it, because they’ve got this law where if
you make your money because of drug smuggling they can, y’know, they can
take it. They can tax it first of all, then they can seize it. So the
judge in that case was a guy named Martin Feldman, he’s actually still
on the federal bench, and not only is he on the federal bench, he’s a
member of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, that top secret
court that authorizes, y’know, these NSA/FBI wiretaps and whatnot, for
national security counter terrorism purposes. But Feldman was also a key
judge in the litigation over BP in the Deep Water Horizon disaster, and
it was later found out that he did not recuse himself from these cases
even though he was a stockholder in Transocean, the company that owned
the platform the Deep Water Horizon, and also he’s a stockholder in BP
itself. So we’ve got this dirty judge involved with the post-mortem of
Barry Seal’s matters, and the other Bush crony involved with putting
Barry Seal in jeopardy because he was such a threat to Vice President
Bush.
BARRETT: Wow. These mobbed up judges are amazing, aren’t they?
Y’know, the whole giving Larry Silverstein double indemnity on his World
Trade Center losses, even though he confessed to demolishing Building
7. We’ve got Bush’s cousin, Judge Walker, refusing to recuse himself
from a case, the April Gallops case, charging Bush with the greatest
crime of the century.
MADSEN: Right. Right. And of course, Karl Rove’s own buddy, Mark
Fuller, Little District of Alabama judge who put Karl Rove’s number one
political enemy Don Siegelman in prison, so, yeah, it goes on and on,
these judges are fiends. And y’know, lifetime appointments…we really
need to revisit that. The only thing I’m in favor of giving a judge
anything a lifetime is a prison sentence.
BARRET: Well, some of them obviously deserve it.
MADSEN: Absolutely.
BARRET: Yeah…so, how long were you out there in California, looking into the Phillip Marshall case?
MADSEN: I was out there…I was out there for little over a week. 8
days. And yeah, the environment is…I have to…y’know, listeners put them
in the frame of mind; you’ve got a tragedy in a small town, of course;
y’know, everybody talks in a small town. Most information goes by the
rumour net. So when you go in there, you’ve really got to let people
know that you’re not…that you’re trustworthy, because they’ve got the
local media that for one reason or another can’t…y’know, that can’t
extensively look into these things. You’ve got a sheriff’s department
who came up with this quick conclusion, and you’ve got friends of Phil
Marshall who don’t believe it, so… With friends and neighbors and
whatnot I had to really, ‘yknow, convince them that I was really,
y’know, out to find the truth, and I wasn’t out to disparage Marshall or
the family, or have some other agenda, so that takes a little bit of
time to do that, but I feel that after a few days out there people
started to open up more and tell me some personal dealings that they had
with Marshall which, y’know, I passed on in the articles I talked about
already, so I came away… I went there skeptical about the official
story, I came away believing absolutely 100% that he did not do this.
BARRET: And that’s what all the neighbors you talked to said, right, I
mean, it was basically 100% of them didn’t believe the official story?
MADSEN: That’s correct. Now the problem is with some of the friends
of the Marshall children, from high school, y’know, the families, they
knew ‘em through the kids, and the word went out to the kids that this
is a perfect example why somebody who’s diagnosed as mentally ill should
not have access to a gun, so, I…with some of the things I saw out
there, I saw some sort of an attempt to turn this into mini-Newtown,
Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting scenario – it was quite different
than that. But, y’know, there was an attempt to make Marshall,
unfortunately, look like this guy Adam Lanza, and I think that just some
people with an agenda pushed that agenda out there.
BARRET: Right, and what was the Sheriff’s evidence, when the Sheriff
immediately said “it’s a slam-dunk case, this is a murder-suicide”, I
mean, after everything you’ve said it sounds like there’s no evidence
whatsoever to support that?
MADSEN: Yeah.
BARRETT: What’s he pointing at?
MADSEN: Well, the position of the body for one thing. Y’know, the
children were found on a sectional couch, but on different sections of
the couch, and the issue came up is “if he shot one of the kids, y’know,
and the other kid was on the other couch, there would have been some
time maybe to respond to it, to escape or do something.” Well, that
certainly wasn’t the case. His front door was open, so when a neighbor
went over…some kids showed up on Saturday, because, y’know… the two
kids, Alex, 17 and Macaila, 14, were in constant Twitter, Facebook and
all this stuff that kids do these days with their iPhones and
whatnot…they were in constant communications. So when they didn’t show
up for high school on Friday, and they didn’t hear anything, they showed
up at the house, four of them showed up to the house on Saturday. They
saw through the window at the front door that there was somebody laying
there, and the neighbor came over and found that the door was open, went
in, and found Phillip Marshall at the end of this long corridor,
clearly shot, and clearly dead. When the Sheriff came, of course, all
those people were shooed off, and the yellow tape went up, and this was
Saturday. But interestingly enough, the coroner out there is saying that
the time of death of these individuals was the time that the bodies
were discovered, even though there is evidence they were shot Thursday
the night of January 31st and Friday morning, which was February 1st.
The coroner said time of death was when they were discovered Satuday,
late, I think, late Saturday morning. So we have a huge discrepancy
there as well. Phil Marshall, I’m told, never kept his door open, even
though many people do that, he had reason not to, but the neighbor
walked right through; the door was open. There was a side door that was
never used, neighbors told me, never used, always closed; it was also
found ajar when the bodies were discovered. So the yellow tape goes up
Saturday morning, by the next day, Sunday, the yellow tape goes down.
The sheriff completed the investigation, ruled it a double homicide and
suicide.
BARRETT: Well…that’s amazing, that they can…
MADSEN: Yeah…and some of the neighbors, of course, who are retired
have relatives in law enforcement, and one told me that one…that a
relative heads up the homicide department of a medium-sized California
city and said “absolutely that did not happen that way”, and said that
in his particular jurisdiction, they have a lot of cases where murders
are made to look like suicides. So that came from somebody who heads up a
homicide division in a fairly medium, y’know, medium to large size city
in the San Francisco Bay Area.
BARRETT: Yeah, these alleged suicides are so convenient because that
means you never have to put the guy on trial; y’know, if they have
Oswald as the patsy in the JFK killing, then he’s still alive, that’s a
problem, so of course he has to be silence, then Jack Ruby has to be
given cancer while he’s in jail, but it’s so much more convenient if
your 19 alleged 9/11 perps are all supposedly dead in the plane crashes,
even though 10 of them show up alive afterwards, well, we can just
ignore that, and likewise, here, it’s a lot easier for them to cover
these things up if they have a dead patsy, who can’t fight back, can’t
hire a lawyer, y’know, they don’t have to prove anything in
court….y’know, it sounds like not one shred of evidence has been
produced indicating this is what they say it is, but it doesn’t matter,
because there’s nobody there to fight it.
MADSEN: That’s right, and some of Phil Marshall’s friends and
neighbors told me that, y’know, although Phil wasn’t paranoid by any
stretch, on occasion he did express some fear for his personal safety,
but he didn’t dwell on it, he didn’t live like he was paranoid, but
certainly on more than one occasion had made that statement to a couple
of people, not in a…y’know…sort of like a passing, not even a serious
thing, “oh yeah, y’know, I have to watch my back”, y’know, statements
like that.
BARRETT: I can understand why he would say that. Now I wonder if, at
some point, there shouldn’t be a reform in the justice system when a
dead person is blamed for a crime, they…a good lawyer should defend that
person, and they should have to convict him in court. That would make
it a lot harder for these organized crime elements to stage these
murder-suicides.
MADSEN: Absolutely. Absolutely. And most people I spoke to felt that
whoever did this…y’know, as I mentioned, there’s meth labs in the area,
so there’s a criminal element in the county, but these are not
professionals by any stretch. These are sort of like moonshiners during
prohibition. These aren’t the smartest people around, so whoever carried
this out, this was a big-time professional hit. So even if somebody had
hired locals to carry this out, it would have been much sloppier than
the way it was carried out. This was, y’know, a very quick-entry, one
gun-shot each to the three people and the dog, and out they went.
BARRETT: Well you have a lot of contacts inside the intelligence
community, having been a former National Security Agency officer
yourself…and you’re maybe the top forum for leaks, right alongside
VeteransToday which is a whole lot of people, and you’re just one guy,
and apparently have a lot of good sources. Do you think there’s any
chance you’re going to find inside information about this?
MADSEN: I wish that were the case, but unfortunately what has
happened to the whistleblowers in the government over the last, I’d say,
two years with unprecedented use of the Espionage Act to put
whistleblowers in prison, the last being John Kiriakou, formerly of the
CIA. I and and others, and I’ve talked with national security reporters
from major, major newspapers, and, y’know, everybody’s saying the same
thing; that the sources are drying up, the whistleblowers feel like they
can’t be, y’know, can’t be seen at all talking to anybody because of
the Obama administration’s use of the Espionage Act — a very arcane 1917
act that was instituted by the guy I call the original Neo-Con, Woodrow
Wilson — being used to put people in the government, and in the
contracting community, in prison for violation of this law, and in this
respect, Obama is ten times worse than George W. Bush, and that’s being
kind. Bush, I don’t believe has used the Espionage Act against a
whistleblower per se, but, of course, did use it against somebody in the
NSA. Ken Ford, who I’ve written extensively about, who had information
that there were no WMDs in Iraq, and after last night’s MSNBC special,
we once again have been told that that was a big charade… the WMDs. But
as far as going after people that talk to the press, Obama is much worse
than Bush, and I never thought I’d say that, I never thought I’d have
the opportunity to say that anybody would be worse than Bush, in any
respect, but certainly Obama is worse than Bush in this respect.
BARRETT: And not only is this to ask, why is that? Because, one, live
analysis is that the Neo-Cons were the driving force behind 9/11, that
they hooked up with Bush and, y’know, the Bush crime mob, and that it
was essentially a coup de tat, and rolled back the Constitution, and
created a USA along the model of the Straussian Neo-cons that they’d
always wanted, but Obama is supposedly a creature of the realists,
people like Brzezinski, who presumably want to roll back the War on
Terror, and go a lot easier on turning the United States into a lockdown
police state, and yet as you say Obama has been worse on
whistleblowers, and worse in many ways on civil liberties than Bush was.
What can possibly be the motivation for this?
MADSEN: Well, meet the new boss, same as the old. Y’know, with Bush
we had the CIA because of the father, and Prescott the grandfather, and
then in this case, I’ve written….I wrote this book about, y’know, Obama
and his family’s ties with the CIA, and I just think it’s still this
agency…and people say “oh, the CIA can’t do everything.” Well, there is
the CIA headquartered in Langley, Virginia, that, y’know multiple
building headquarters, and that’s “the CIA”, y’know, the
brick-and-mortar CIA, but when I say CIA, I’m talking about the
larger-than-the-CIA, which include all kinds of front companies, people
who once worked for them but now work in the shadows, contractors, and
foreign associates who may have gone rogue, or may not have gone rogue,
may have gone rogue and then get, y’know, activated again by certain
elements within our government. So that’s the CIA, and I think is
controlled by both the Bush administration and this administration. It’s
not that headquarters where you’re going to go in there and find files
on all these events and these people. This is a very amorphous
organization, but one that continues to exisit and go unpunished for its
crimes.
BARRETT: Well, it’s interesting, because if you’re looking for
continuity between this history of big crimes, starting with the JFK
assassination and continuing on through 9/11, and all of these many
murders, it does seem that the CIA has played a fairly noticeable role
in all of this, with, as I said earlier, Cord Meyer, the CIA Operation
Mockingbird Chief, being named as a lead as a JFK conspirator by Howard
Hunt…and it seems that this kind of dirty side of the larger CIA that
you’re talking about has been involved in a whole series of these crimes
related to, y’know, overturning democracy, or, y’know, rolling back the
Constitution, since 1963. And of course, people point to JFK having
threatened to tear the CIA up into little pieces and scatter it to the
winds, to basically eliminate the entire covert operations side of CIA
and give that over to the military… all of these things have been cited,
so do you think if we were going to do one reform to try to get a
handle on all these abuses, do you think maybe abolishing the CIA, or at
least its covert operations side, would do it?
MADSEN: Oh, yeah, and Senator Moynihan from New York wanted to do
that, he said turn them back into an intelligence gathering
organization, put them back under the State Department from which many
of them came, and get rid of all the covert, clandestine services,
special ops and all that…of course, he said that after he announced
plans to retire from the Senate, and his seat was taken by Hillary
Clinton, who certainly hasn’t show any inclination to agree with
anything her predecessor Senator Moynihan had to say about that agency.
BARRETT: Okay, and of course there’s the private agencies as well,
that as you say, may be tangentially affiliated with CIA; people like
John Perkins the economic hitman, he and his colleagues actually worked
for the banksters directly, they were not on the government payroll but
they they were doing the same kind of thing. It’s all a big ugly mess,
and it’s great that we have people like you, Wayne Madsen, to help
clarify what’s really going on. Well, thank you Wayne, it’s been great, I
hope to have you back on again. Keep up the good work.
MADSEN: Okay, you bet. Thank you very much.
BARRETT: Okay. Bye-bye.
MADSEN: Bye now.
BARRETT: That’s Wayne Madsen. He’s on the web at
waynemadsenreport.com – that’s W-A-Y-N-E, Wayne, and Madsen is
M-A-D-S-E-N. Waynemadsenreport.com. Highly recommended. If you’re going
to actually pay money to subscribe to any news service, you’d a lot
better with Wayne than just about anybody else out there. Certainly a
lot better than, oh, the New York Times or your local newspaper. I’m
Kevin Barrett, this is No Lies Radio. Once again, my radio blog is
truthjihadradio.blogspot.com, and the website is truthjihad.com. Back
here next week, and tomorrow, I’ll have a really terrific show on the
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