The hitman scam: Dread Pirate Roberts’ bizarre murder-for-hire attempts

On the darkweb, no one is who they seem.

by Joe Mullin - Feb 8 2015, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/02/the-hitman-scam-dread-pirate-roberts-bizarre-murder-for-hire-attempts/

The most disturbing part of the Dread Pirate Roberts (DPR) story is also the strangest: how the boss of the Silk Road drugs marketplace attempted to arrange not one but six murders-for-hire.
No murders actually took place. The first "hit" was purchased from an undercover DEA agent and was meant to take out a former Silk Road staffer; it has been charged in Maryland. But the story of the other five came out at the recent New York City trial of Ross Ulbricht, accused of being DPR and developing the Silk Road site, through a remarkable 33-page transcript of private messages that prosecutors harvested from the Silk Road server after it was captured by the government.
The transcript makes for astonishing reading as Dread Pirate Roberts dispenses cash and orders hits without bothering to verify even basic details about those he interacts with. Looking up the mentioned transactions in Bitcoin's blockchain shows that the transfers did in fact take place; whatever happened here, at least one party seems to have thought it was real—even if the dialogue often reads like a bad movie script.
Who is the Dread Pirate Roberts? Last Wednesday, a jury convicted the 30-year-old Ulbricht on seven counts related to drug trafficking and dealing in other illicit goods; evidence gathered from his laptop showed him communicating with others as DPR. (Ulbricht will be sentenced in May.)
As for the other characters in this sordid drama, they remain elusive. There's FriendlyChemist, the man who writes frantic and broken sentences to DPR saying he'll be killed if he doesn't get $500,000—and fast. FriendlyChemist poses as a narcotics middleman who got scammed by a Silk Road seller named LucyDrop.
Then there's RealLucyDrop, who claims that he was one half of the LucyDrop selling duo—but is now on his own after his partner split with the product. He says he knows FriendlyChemist, who is desperate and scared.
Finally, there's redandwhite, the genteel, well-spoken and murderous businessman who FriendlyChemist owes money to. He claims to be a major player in the drug trade, and is also a mentor, educating DPR about the cost and technique of killing one's enemies. DPR, meanwhile, tells redandwhite how to use secure chat channels and how to scrub photo metadata so that a picture of the murdered man can be sent safely once the job is done.
Most of the private messages between these parties span a single month in early 2013, but we know that communication between DPR and redandwhite did not end. Silk Road logs, found on Ulbricht's laptop, confirms their continued communication, likely via the Pidgin secure chat that DPR helped redandwhite set up.
"loaning $500k to r&w to start vending on SR," reads one log entry on Ulbricht's laptop.
Then later, under a longer entry dated with the range "06/05/2013 - 09/11/2013," it's written: "r&w flaked out and disappeared with my 1/2 mil."
Between the initial "hits" and the "loan," Dread Pirate Roberts paid redandwhite US$1.15 million in bitcoin. The payments for the fake hits came from Ulbricht's own bitcoin wallet, one more piece of damning evidence that his defense lawyers couldn't explain away to the jury.

Scamming a pirate?

We've published the "murder chats," in full, below, apart from some addresses of alleged Silk Road buyers. Since there are no bodies, the question arises: exactly what are we reading? It all seems to have been an elaborate ruse, in which a scam artist (or artists) operating under multiple personas made off with $1 million from the world's most successful online drug dealer, securing more cash in the end than FriendlyChemist had even hoped for at the beginning.
"The bitcoins [from DPR to redandwhite] sat there until August 2013 (which alone should have tipped out the Dread Pirate about a possible scam; if someone wants that amount of money, why would they just sit on it when it was supposed to go pay some hitman?)," said Nicholas Weaver, a University of California-Berkeley computer researcher. The bitcoins were "only then moved away in bulk, split up, and perhaps sent to Bitcoin exchanges or other cashout."
During closing arguments at Ulbricht's, prosecutor Serrin Turner said that Ulbricht "may have fallen for a big con job," but said that only goes to show he wasn't a "criminal super-genius" but rather a criminal who made mistakes—and was willing, eager even, to use violence to protect what he'd built.
"For him, it was trivial," said Turner. "The click of a mouse, send $500,000, half a million dollars' worth of bitcoins, wait for the picture of a dead body. Thank goodness it does not look like any murders occurred. Thank goodness that this man's power trip was stopped before he managed to connect with a true hitman through his criminal website."

FriendlyChemist	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/13/2013 can u please get dread pirate roberts to message me RIGHT away ? its very serious... a matter of life and death. also has to do with the identities of a dozen top vendors and thousands of silk road customers its very important so please get him me right away. i will not talk to anyone but dread pirate roberts so please do not ask me what it is conserning
DreadPirateRoberts	To: FriendlyChemist, 3/14/2013 What can I do for you?
FriendlyChemist	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/14/2013 what is going on? when are u payin lucydrop? i have been waiting and waiting and he keeps saying hes waitin for u to pay u dont know me but i am lucydrops supplier. the only reason i lent lucydrop so much product is bcuz he showed me the chat logs of u and him talking and how u made him the #1 seller on silkroad. i lent him 900k of product and he paid me 200k and then started avoiding me. i see u and him still have listings up when i kno for a fact he does not have ne product. why are u guys scamming people for there hard earned money? i stopped by lucydrops house and he doesnt live there ne more and his phone goes straight to voicemail but i kno he has been on sr.. and he says wait for u what is the deal? where is my money? why is lucydrop still selling when i kno for fact he has no product because i supplyd him im freaking out here! that was not my money! im getting scared. my wife said she saw people at my kids school and im getting really worried i put a keylogger on lucydrops computer when he left the room one day when i was their so i could see what he was doing and i see he has been selling still when i kno he doesnt have product. are u guys pulling a scam? why!? i also have the indentities of 9 top vendors and 15 smaller vendors and thousands of customers of lucydrops. i dont want any trouble but i want my money! if u havnt paid lucydrop drop pay him! if u have pay him then tell him to pay me! im scared for my family! if u dont believe me here is lucy password info login lucydrop passyworld lucedad withdraw password lucedadhi5 i will not do anything tilll u message me and tell me whats going on. please get him to pay me asap or pay him asap if u havnt! this is my life here and im scared for my family bcuz of the money i owe
DreadPirateRoberts	To: FriendlyChemist, 3/14/2013 I'm really sorry for your situation. I have never had such a conversation with lucydrop. he/she must have made it up to trick you. we have no special deal whatsoever.
FriendlyChemist	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/14/2013 i find it verry hard to believe. he showed the chat loggs talking to u about u making him number 1 seller and being his partner on the product i gave him. i would not have give him that much product otherwise- especially because u made him the 1 seller please dont screw me like this! my life is in danger because of this money i owe! i also kno about the other vendor accounts his friends are using. i have access to those customer lists too from when lucydrop was dropshipping for them im not this kind of person but the only card i hav left to play is dropping 2 dozen vendor identities and thousands of customer details on the web and the forums. what do u and lucydrop think will happen if thousands of usernames, ordr amounts, addresses get leaked? all those people will leave sr and be scared to use it again.. those vendors will all be busted and all there customers will be exposed too and never go back to sr i dont want to do that! i just want my money for my product! my life is in danger and maybe my family. the people i borrowed that from are not regular people!! i cant believe i was so stupid and trustng! jus get lucydrop to pay me my money asap or if u havent paid him yet then pay so he pays me the money he owes! please! im freaking out here!
DreadPirateRoberts	To: FriendlyChemist, 3/15/2013 I will get in touch with lucydrop and get back to you. Send me all of the information you've harvested so I can verify it.
DreadPirateRoberts	To: LucyDrop, 3/15/2013 Hi Lucydrop, I've been contacted by a member named FriendlyChemist. He claims to know you and have done business with you in real life. He is making wild accusations and threats against you, me, and other members of the community. If indeed you know him, could you please provide me with his name and address. I'd like to stop him in his tracks by revealing that I know who he is and will retaliate if he does anything stupid. Any other info you can provide is also welcome. Thanks and sorry for the trouble. DPR PS - please don't contact him if possible, I'd like to handle it myself.
FriendlyChemist	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/15/2013 i didnt have to harvest anything - lucydrop kept a log of every single transaction he made on silkroad like a idiot there r thousands and thousands of orders there are over 20 vendor identities from when he did biz with them - some with phone numbers to - and over 5 thousand customer identities he also ran more then 1 account on here nd seems to be still vending on those accts too and did evrything from 1 computers so i have all theyre info too u alrdy kno that i have access to his acct and u can see most of his order r not encrypt so i dont kno why u are asking for me to send all the info to u now. unless u want to warn all those people so you and lucy dont have to pay me his username - lucydrop his pw - lucedad his wd pw - lucedadhi5 u say u are not working wit him but u still havn closed his acct when u kno he is scamming but i will give u a address to some customers and u can see he kept logs the whole time. here are some of his very first sales when he was sending 3tab samples when he first started vending. u can cantact them and see it is true [Ed. note: long list of addresses from around the world redacted] and the log goes like that up til today every day. nd that it just 1 of his accts.. he has 3 total of his own he use for different thing but im sure u kno this. or else why u let that accunt stay open. i dont want to do anything with this and i wont i just want my money! i am scared for my life and you and him are not giving me answer. maybe if i post all the vendor identity publicly and nobody sell on silkroad lucydrop will have no more sales to scam ppl on his other account. i just want what is owe to me and i will go away! i dont kno why you ppl scam like this! ppl work hard for there money and u are playing with ppl lives! i will wait ur reply from lucydrop - but i dont kno how much longer i can wait.. how can i explain to these ppl i dont have there money when i said i will have it a certain day and now im late? these are not normal ppl and they are getting angry with me jsut get lucydrop to resolve this, or pay him so he can pay me! i did a favor and this is not fair to play with my life like this!
DreadPirateRoberts	To: FriendlyChemist, 3/15/2013 I'll let you know when I hear from lucydrop
FriendlyChemist	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/15/2013 when will that be? i dont think u guys understand how serious this is have u not payed lucydrop the 700k he is supposed to give me yet? these people i borrowed from have been asking for me to meet them and said they dont want to have to come and find me im scared and u dont seem to even care that u guys are scamming me and putting me life in danger! do i need to release some of list so u take it more serious? i just want what is owed to me! when will u guys make it rite?

RealLucyDrop	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/16/2013 [POSTED IN ONE OF THE SILK ROAD FORUMS] I can't post in rumormill because I don't have 50 posts. Please post this thread in rumormill - I am the real LucyDrop DO NOT BUY FROM LUCYDROP ON SR I can't talk about specifics for security reasons, but i was in jail for more than 2 months but less than 7. I got released very recently. LucyDrop on SilkRoad is NOT ME. DO NOT BUY FROM THAT ACCOUNT. My partner completely fucked me over. I went to our spot.. there is nothing there and he wont answer my phone calls. He took the work computer and everything else. He took my entire savings with him that was being used to keep supply up. He took my entire life. Somebody PLEASE get in contact with DPR or Vendor Support and have the account shut down immediately and freeze all the funds in the account. How can I contact DPR? I can't find a link to message him. I can prove to him that I am the real lucydrop as I do not have access to my pgp or any of my logins. If you ordered from me in the past (namely a couple of top vendors, i can give you details and you can verify/vouch that I am indeed the real LucyDrop) Do not trust anything that is said from that LucyDrop account! Do not send ANY FUNDS. Do NOT FINALIZE ANYTHING. Somebody please get DPR to see this thread. Someone please post this n Rumor mill. My entire life was taken from me and I don't know what to do
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RealLucyDrop, 3/16/2013 Hi there. How did the new person gain access to your account?
RealLucyDrop	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/16/2013 It's not a new person who took over the account. It was my partner in real life that I started LucyDrop with. I was the one that actually handled the LucyDrop account until I got arrested. I was picked up on previous drug offence warrants and spent some time in jail. My partner took absolutely everything from me in that time. He took all the work computers, the bitcoin wallets, all the work product and nearly my entire life savings and scammed a bunch of people in the process. FriendlyChemist was our middleman to one of our LSD distributors. I called him also after I got released and he is demanding I pay him for some deal he had with my partner when I was in jail and telling me he will do something very stupid if he doesn't get paid. How do you know FriendlyChemist?
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RealLucyDrop, 3/17/2013 I'm so glad you know him! He has gathered the personal information of many of the customers who worked with lucydrop (not sure if you were in control of the account at the time or not) and also some of the other vendors on SR. Now he is trying to blackmail me by saying he will release all of this info. If this happened it would be terrible. I need his real world identity so I can threaten him with violence if he were to release any names (name, address, anything you have). It sounds like he's in a tough spot that your former partner put him in, but I can't get involved and I can't let him release those IDs. Thank you for any help you can provide.
RealLucyDrop	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/17/2013 I don't know how I feel about that solution. Remember that he also knows my real world identity and has evidence on me as well. I'm sure you are well aware of what would happen to me if my information was to be released. If he had access to that computer there is a lot more damaging stuff on there than just the identities of a bunch of vendors and a bunch of customers of mine. There is enough on that computer to put me away for a very long time. He's acting erratic right now (understandably, given his situation), but I will set up a meeting with him and try and reason with him. It is also in my best interest that he does not release anything, as well as in the best interest of this movement we are a part of.. Putting power in the peoples hands. I fucking hate what money does to people. I am in contact with him, and I told him that I am talking to you and I'm going to have a meeting with him and try and resolve this problem of ours.
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RealLucyDrop, 3/18/2013 ok lucy, do me proud :)
RealLucyDrop	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/18/2013 Will do. Obviously I wont ask you what timezone you are in, but can you give me certain hours that are the best to reach you at/? The delay in messages back and forth make it hard to communicate effectively. I'm in Pacific time zone.. Can you tell me what time in PST are the best times to reach you at? I don't mind having to wake up in the middle of the night to hop on the forums so just tell me whatever works best for you I will be meeting him today in the morning
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RealLucyDrop, 3/18/2013 I will check in as much as possible. Let me know if you need anything.

RealLucyDrop	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/19/2013 I went to the meeting with him and he is extremely frightened. He told me who he owes money to and I understand his concern for his safety, because they are not people you want to owe money to. He is freaking out and truly believes that his life and his families life is in serious danger.He thinks that you don't take him seriously and said he was planning on releasing part of the information to show he is serious. I convinced him not to and reassured him that things would be okay. If that information gets leaked and those vendors get busted, I would get busted too. I tried to not show him that I was too concerned with his threats but I'm not sure how to deal with him. He said he has been doing his research and he says he has discovered the flaw with SR that the buyers have never thought about. (I'm assuming he is referring to the fact that the vendors all have peoples addresses and can use it against SR or the buyers themselves to extort money or what have you). He also kept talking about the shitstorm that would be caused by that much information being leaked and media/police picking up on it and starting a mass panic. He said if we don't pay him that he will release the information, and if that does not work he will go straight to the police with all the information and get into the witness protection program. The people he borrowed the product from are a big criminal organization in Canada (Hells Angels - not sure if you are familiar with them) and the police have been known to treat witnesses against them very well). This is saddening because this guy is not really like this, but I guess with the threat to his and his families life he is under extreme stress and acting out of character. I calmed him down a bit and told him I would find a way to help him. That was somewhat of a lie on my part because I really don't know how I can help him but I wanted to reassure him so he didn't do anything drastic in the meantime until we find a solution. I asked him that you would never fully trust him to not use the information against him even if you got paid, and he said the following. I'm recalling this all from memory so excuse me if it's not completely accurate. He said regardless of anything, he needs to pay the people asap or he is in grave danger. He offered me a deal (because as you know, selling on SR was my income and he was my connection for LSD). He said he wants to be paid, and that he would then give me product at his cost, so that I could pay you back by selling and giving you the percentage of what he would normally put on top when he was selling it to me. He was putting 50% on top of his cost when he gave it to me, so he suggested that I start vending again and you take 50% of all sales. That way you would be paid back in full, I would be able to sell again on SR and that the people he borrowed the product from would be paid back and he would be safe. I said that was a bad deal because you would still have all the vendors information and customers information. He said that he would be willing to give you his identify, talk to someone on the phone to verify, or give any other identifying information that could be confirmed as collateral so he would never be able to use that information again, and that you would feel confident that the information would never be exposed. I don't know what you think, but that is what he said to me. What should I say to him?
RealLucyDrop	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/20/2013 Can you tell me what to tell him please? I've been stalling him and told him I would get back to him asap. Can you just tell me what to tell him, so I can make arrangements to protect myself in this whole situation also? If he goes through with his threat, I will need to protect myself
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RealLucyDrop, 3/20/2013 You know his real-world identity don't you? There is no way I will be handing cash over to a person who is threatening me and my community. Give me his ID so I can have some leverage in dealing with him. You said you don't know what to do now, so let me take over and give me all of the info you have so I have the best chance at defusing this situation.
RealLucyDrop	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/20/2013 Yes I do know his identity, but you threatening him back will not help this situation. He is deathly afraid of the people he owes money to, and they already know where he lives and where his kids go to school etc. That will just expedite him going to the police, thus the information being given to them including my identity because they police will want all the information he has if they will protect him and put him in witness protection. Obviously you don't want to be blackmailed and let some fuck take money but this situation is extremely sensitive and I'm getting increasingly worried about my own safety regarding the police or my information being leaked too. If I can get some money together would you be willing to help me pay him, and then taking 50% off each of my sales to repay you what you have leant? I was the number one vendor with the 3 best selling items on SR so it would not take long. That way I also get to keep my connection for LSD and be able to keep vending. I can probably get 300k together or maybe more if I try and borrow some money from friends. I just don't see how you threatening him is going to help the situation at all and will probably just make him go to the police even faster/releasing the information faster since he will know he will not be able to pay them off and will have no choice but to go to the police after releasing the information since he will be in serious trouble Please try and check your messages more often, because whenever I don't have anything to tell him he starts acting more erratic since the people he owes are on him hard about getting paid
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RealLucyDrop, 3/20/2013 Don't bother messaging me again if the message does not contain his personal information. I'm not fronting money to anyone, and I won't be blackmailed. I would also like the contact info/id of the other lucy drop that ripped him off, and of his suppliers if possible. You don't know how to handle this situation, but I do. Stop showing this guy compassion. He is threatening your life/freedom and my livelyhood.
RealLucyDrop	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/21/2013 If you really think you have a good idea to deal with him I will give you the information you want about his identity. Please understand why I am hesitant, as it is my freedom we're dealing with. I will also have no income since he was my connection for LSD.. Are there any positions open on SR? support or otherwise? I could really use some sort of job as my partner completely fucked me over. Let me know how to send the information to you... Plain text or can you give me a pgp key to use?
DreadPirateRoberts	To: FriendlyChemist, 3/21/2013 Have your suppliers contact me here so I can work something out with them. Do NOT tell them that I owe you money. That is not true and will only complicate matters. Tell them the truth, that the person who stole your money sold their product on my site and that you are now blackmailing me to get them their money. You should copy/paste this message to them.
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RealLucyDrop, 3/21/2013 Thank you for your understanding. Please encrypt the information with the key below and send it to me here. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) mQENBE2VWMwBCADcoI5qldde46EI80fHSTCS4CuJn1Py4AQjJvpAqFColeAm9xb1/hb0ZUs G3vwod7uiPJdMlq3+1o3TSv9JlO3DPf7I50owQ9+S1ixXebouTvfpEKSbdq1IWAu+O4PtlmFE b76MOmjOzoeV8We8kCRFq8ThoK979A1DR09KsaDfSjCITdsUmQyVaRN0dCaj33V/QAPQy bYAjNDEiNd0e1tV22n1dl6z2oVUgfJiuTVI5C0FhSKPc3odexbKUSVk9tkUWcfnk8+9HF5jGNH nUSjWxMkG1uZUDdWKl4yJqQhBHdYqcz8AhcJ6xADbFeoYEO6z5NEjXV0KmoDRCi4C7gdfA BEBAAG0JFNpbGsgUm9hZCA8c3RhZmZAc2lsa3JvYWRtYXJrZXQub3JnPokBOAQTAQIAIgUC TZVYzAIbDwYLCQgHAwIGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQAiJCO2e3+iVfzwf/dg6wj6a n8xehD7tYOjMbf9/RAKLCq+GMJlROQ7mPoOqUdnTrQ375Ld0MUJFEQUHsmijkDbl7rOLw0 IuJHJsxw9wy5nNANMEMxjspdGvi8HalDrXJC+EiD2xM0gz/XrDmTsHhpAZEgwddygZFuHxW wxpBHGB2clLf4xYMX5TC7Z8QJLEdXx9DW5mZ1K9XuC+6fkMpUblzoRizmzk1NJ+yg27mYo4 KigysleshF3yyQ62as5apqIfgyYrJ/udwa4JQ8Le6dzB0d3o8mrrDXqHSuxSdLGNLh1B7lDphds Qxrx1W/468EubG+5PEf2DLqqbUYLDCxS3m4DN46woO/INt5A===kHyk -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
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DreadPirateRoberts	To: RealLucyDrop, 3/21/2013 Please send the exact address of FC. I might be able to take you in as a part-time mod. I'll run it by the staff.
RealLucyDrop	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/24/2013 That's not a problem. I will go out there in a couple days and get the exact address for you Did you consult the staff about the part time job?
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RealLucyDrop, 3/25/2013 not yet. is he still in contact with you?
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/25/2013 I was asked to contact you. We are the people friendlychemist owes money to. He tells us that you owe him money and a long boring story about some of this and some of that. As far as we are concerned - we gave him the product. Where it went and how does not matter. We hold him and him only responsible for the missing product/money.We don't care if you stole it from him/borrowed it from him or anything. It was his responsibility to pay for it. He asked me to contact you anyways. What did you want to talk to us about?

RealLucyDrop	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/26/2013 He answers though sporadically.... I have heard via the grape vine that he is in contact with the people he owes money to but he is refusing to meet up with them like they have told him to
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 3/26/2013 Sorry for the delayed response and thank you for getting in touch. We've had some technical difficulties the past 24 hours I've had to deal with. Just to be clear, I do not owe him any money, but he has told me his situation and wants my help. I'm not entirely sure what the best action to take is, but I wanted to be in communication with you to see if we can come to a conclusion that works for everyone. friendlychemist aside, we should talk about how we can do business. Obviously you have access to illicit substances in quantity, and are having issues with bad distributors. If you don't already sell here on Silk Road, I'd like you to consider becoming a vendor. Many people here purchase in bulk as well as retail quantities. Being a vendor, you'll have the protection that dealing anonymously in bitcoin provides, and you'll have protection against people like friendlychemist ripping you off because all transactions are conducted through my escrow. I encourage you to read the wiki and forum (links in the footer) and consider becoming a vendor here. So, if there is anything I can do as the admin here to help you get involved in Silk Road, or anything I can do to help with your situation with friendlychemist, please just let me know.
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/26/2013 That is interesting. How much is it possible to sell on here if we listed every product far cheaper than everyone else? We have a majority hold over most of the movement of products in western Canada (one of the main drug ports to North America). I have researched your site and the concept seems interesting to me (as long as it is anonymous as everyone makes it out to be). We produce LSD/nBome/Ketamine/MDMA/Meth/GHB and import cocaine and heroin in massive bulk amounts. We have a lot of workers who run their own sub distribution networks for the streets, but if it is lucrative we are always looking to expand. In my partners eyes all they will see is that because of online dealing we are out 700k so I'm not sure they will go for it. FriendlyChemist refuses to meet up with us because of what he fears will happen. People are starting to suspect that he will go to the police, which is not a problem because he would never be able to give up anyone of importance since he only has ever had contact with low level people in our group and they always take precautions so that even if someone were to turn informant, they would not be able to get any charges to stick. It's a shame because he moved a fair amount of product. If you can get FriendlyChemist to meet up with us, or pay us his debt then I'm sure I would be able to get people in our group to give this online side of the business a try. As it stands right now, there are people looking for him and since he has avoided our group, I'm not sure what will happen since he owes us money and is avoiding us. I've looked around your site, and the prices are absolutely absurd. I'm assuming most people on here selling are 3 or 4 tiers below the actual producers or distributors?
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RealLucyDrop, 3/27/2013 why haven't you gotten the address yet? Bring me the address, and $1000 in btc is yours.
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 3/27/2013 In my eyes, FriendlyChemist is a liability and I wouldn't mind if he was executed, but then you'd be out your $700k. I don't think he is going to come up with the money because he seems very desperate. I'm not sure how much you already know about the guy, but I have the following info and am waiting on getting his address: Blake Krokoff Lives in an apartment near White Rock Beach Age: 34 City: White Rock Province: British Columbia Wife + 3 kids Let me know if it would be helpful to have his full address. In those categories, I think you could be doing over $1M in sales a week within a few months. It is hard to estimate because it depends on how much market share you get and also the site as a whole is constantly growing. You will need to become very proficient at stealth shipping and packaging if you aren't already. Think vacuum sealers and leaving no forensic evidence on your packages. You will also want to ship from multiple drop points so you can't be traced back via your (fake) return address. If you go through with this, I would contact some of the top vendors and hire them to consult you. Ask the weed vendors because you won't be competing with them and their product is smelly and looked for by USPS, so they have to be on top of their game. I would also start out listing smaller amounts so you can get the hang of it before putting up a substantial inventory. You will also need to market yourself on the forums a little bit at first, maybe send out some samples to critics. That is one price of anonymity, no one knows you, but if your customer service is good and your product is good and cheap, people will quickly catch on and you won't have to do much hustling. Regarding prices, there are some costs here you don't otherwise see. I take 3 - 10% depending on the size of the transaction, if you hedge your escrow balance (and you should) that can cost up to 5% per transaction, and then if you need to convert your bitcoins into another currency, there are fees associated with that, though not that much. There are also occasional losses due to packages lost in the mail. The rest of the markup I think is due, as you say, to the fact that most vendors are pretty far down the distribution chain. Regarding the safety and anonymity, we've been operating for over 2 years now in the open as a high profile target and are still going strong. If you take the necessary precautions, and use the technology, I think you can operate very securely and efficiently here, maybe more so than some of your current operations.
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/28/2013 I already have that information but thank you. 1M a week sounds like it would be worth selling on here, once we know exactly how everything works. Even if commission was 15% it would not matter, as we lose more than 15% doing it on the streets with street level guys getting robbed or arrest and losing product etc. Also, we have kidnapped friendlychemists partner Xin already and are on the hunt for friendlychemist. I will keep you updated on the developments. So far though we are liking what we see with this site and this could be a good partnership for both of us. As far as I can see, this site lacks any big time suppliers. It appears it is mostly it is street level independents that are buying small amounts (1oz - 1 kilo at a time) and selling on here. We have the product and the man power to do big things here. Forgive me, but it all seems a little too good to be true right now so I will need some time to really research this before I make any sort of commitment.
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 3/28/2013 I understand, and that is great news about Xin. If I understand the situation, he is the one responsible for your loss. You should definitely take your time and start slowly. I would hate for you to make a mistake and be left with a bad experience. Just let me know if you need anything. Also, you should look into PGP. Many customers like to encrypt their receiving address so you should know how to decrypt it. When you are ready, let me know what account you want to sell with and I'll cover the $500 security deposit for you.
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/28/2013 We are all familiar with PGP as we have been using it for years via email linked to our smartphones. It's the only way we communicate with each other aside from in person, since phone calls are not secure. There is no loss anymore, also. We were able to recover all of our missing product when we grabbed Xin. After some "questioning" he admitted he was intending on moving to a different country and setting up a new seller account on this site. We don't take too kindly to thieves. He's gone. I appreciate your offer to waive the fee, but If we were to sell on here I would like to pay the same as everyone else. Very kind of you though. I will be in touch.
FriendlyChemist	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/29/2013 u leave me no choice i want 500k usd withn 72hrs or i am going to post all the info i have. i cant go back to my home and i had to move my kids and wife somewhere and i need the money so i can move my family and start a new life. i hate to do this but i need the money or im going to release it all. over 5000 user details and about 2 dozen vender identities wats it going to be?

DreadPirateRoberts	To: FriendlyChemist, 3/29/2013 Don't do anything foolish. The people that you owe money to have caught up with Xin and reclaimed their loss. I spoke to them and calmed them down. They are likely going to become vendors here on SR. Now you can calm down too. Go back to your normal life and don't get involved in this stuff any more.
FriendlyChemist	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/29/2013 u dont think i kno what they did to xin? u think i can just go on with my life? u dont know these ppl. i owed them money and i ran away from them. its over for me. i need that money to start over somewhere else with my family. i need it! i dont want to do this but if u dont give it to me i have no choice they are still telling me that i hav to meet them and i kno what will happen. i cant let that happen! even if they say it is ok i kno they will do the same thing to me. they say everything is ok but i kno what they will do! 63 hours.. please.. dont force me to post everything. 500k is nothing to u but its life and death for me they told me that i have a free pass and that they dealt with it with xin but i kno that they are doing that to make me think its ok and then get me! thats how these ppl operate!
DreadPirateRoberts	To: FriendlyChemist, 3/29/2013 Do me a favor and make it 96 hours. I will get back to you on Monday. I want to work this out, but I have big plans for this weekend and don't want to have to deal with this.
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 3/29/2013 Hi again R&W, I hate to come to you with a problem when we are just starting to get to know one another, but Blake (FriendlyChemist) is causing me problems. Are you still looking for him or now that you've found Xin have you given up? I would like to put a bounty on his head if it's not too much trouble for you. What would be an adequate amount to motivate you to find him? Necessities like this do happen from time to time for a person in my position. I have others I can turn to, but it is always good to have options and you are close to the case right now. Hopefully this is something you are open to and can be another aspect of our business relationship. Regards, DPR
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/30/2013 What is the problem? We usually tend to stay away from hits as they are bad for business and bring a lot of heat. Is it a problem that can be resolved or does it need to be dealt with sternly? As of right now, we don't care about him because we retrieved more from Xin than what he took from us, and he also paid for it with his life. Debt paid in our books. As far as rates go, we don't have a flat rate for things like that. It's on a case by case basis. Usually we pay our hitters a percentage of what the person owes +/- how much they can retrieve. If it's strictly a hit because they don't want the person around anymore it's also different. Does he owe you money or do you just not want him around anymore? I can send a couple of my guys to do recon to find out exactly where he is right now in the meantime until I hear back from you.
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 3/30/2013 If you can find his location, that may be enough for me to scare him off. He is trying to blackmail me. Just let me know what you need to make this worth your while.
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/30/2013 If I find his location, and you use it against him to scare him, there is a chance he will switch locations again. Speaking from experience, it will become a lot more difficult to find him again after that once he knows there are people capable of finding, him looking for him. Further, the people we use to do the recon are the hitter themselves. I don't think they will be interested in continuing looking for him if there will be a small sum to be split between them just to find his address. If you have your mind set on just finding his location, I can talk to them and get them to get it for you for a fee (not sure what amount as usually when we hunt someone, there is more involved after we find them). If you want to deal with him the other way, we can talk about that too, but price varies on the situation. If you want it to look like an accident, it would cost a lot more. It wouldn't be suspicious. He would just leave home one day and not return. If you don't care what it looks like, it would be cheaper than the accident. We use professionals and not street level hoodlums who always end up fucking things up. How much does he owe you and how much are you willing to pay? If there are funds retrieved, how much would we keep from what he has when we get him(if he has anything) ?
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 3/30/2013 He doesn't owe me anything, but he is threatening to expose the identities of thousands of my clients that he was able to acquire working with Xin if I don't pay him off. As you don't take kindly to thieves, this kind of behavior is unforgivable to me. Especially here on Silk Road, anonymity is sacrosanct. It doesn't have to be clean, and I don't think there are any funds to be retrieved.
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/30/2013 Price for clean is 300k+ USD Price for non-clean is 150-200k USD depending on how you want it done. These prices pay for 2 professional hitters including their travel expenses and work they put in. We can use out of town hitters if you want as well, but I would not suggest them because they come with an extra cost and you don't seem to care how he is taken care of. When would you like this done?
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 3/31/2013 Don't want to be a pain here, but the price seems high. Not long ago, I had a clean hit done for $80k. Are the prices you quoted the best you can do? I would like this done asap as he is talking about releasing the info on Monday.
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/31/2013 I'm sorry, but we can't do anything for that price. Best I can do is 150 and even that is pushing it. Since you need a rush job done, usually we would charge even more. In the interest of business relationship to be, I could do 150. No lower. If 150 does not work for you, we are going to have to pass. We use professionals, and we pay them a good price. Always send them out in a team of 2+.. 75k each for expenses and the job is a fair amount I think. We have one of his associates, and we're paying him to set him up for us. We'll pay for that ourselves on our end. I'm guessing you will not be able to pay by cash, so how would payment work since you need it done before monday?
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/31/2013 If you want it done by Monday that only leaves today. It's Sunday morning here. We always seem to miss each other online, so I will leave a bitcoin address in case you want to pay that way. Probably best so we can get used to dealing with bitcoins anyways since we will be selling here more than likely in the next week or two. I will check the computer in about 10 hours and If I see that you do want to go ahead with this, and payment has been sent we'll do it today. 1MwvS1idEevZ5gd428TjL3hB2kHaBH9WTL If you want picture confirmation of the job afterwards, give me random numbers and I will have them write them beside him and take a picture for you.
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 3/31/2013 Thank you R&W. I've only ever commissioned the one other hit, so I'm still learning this market. I have no problem putting my faith in you and I am sure you will do a good job. The exchange rate is above 90 right now, so at $90/btc, $150k is about 1670 btc. If the market tanks in the next few days, I will send more. Here are some random numbers for a picture: 83746102 Here is the transaction # for 1670 btc to 1MwvS1idEevZ5gd428TjL3hB2kHaBH9WTL 4a0a5b6036c0da84c3eb9c2a884b6ad72416d1758470e19fb1d2fa2a145b5601 Good luck and be safe, DPR

RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/31/2013 I received the payment. I appreciate the offer if bitcoins lower in value. We know where he is. He'll be grabbed tonight. I'll update you.
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 4/1/2013 Your problem has been taken care of. They seized a bunch of stuff he had with him at the time as well. They said he had a couple laptops and a bunch of usb sticks. Is there anything of that, that belongs to you? They questioned him and he spilled everything he knew. He said that he and Xin were actually working together on this scheme to blackmail you and that they were brought in by a 3rd guy who has been selling on here for a couple years who is a scam artist. Apparently he makes selling accounts, sells for a while and then pulls a big scam and he just keeps creating new accounts after he does his scams. They got that guys name also , I will give that to you free of charge when I meet them to get the picture and computer hardware they got. Rest easy though, because he won't be blackmailing anyone again. Ever.
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 4/2/2013 Excellent work. Please send any info you can get on this third party along with the picture. The picture can be uploaded here: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/upload I have no need for any of his possessions, so you can do what you want with that stuff. Thank you again for your assistance, DPR
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 4/2/2013 Okay my guys are here now and here is the information they extracted from FriendlyChemist before the deed. They were working with a guy - real name of Andrew Lawsry of Surrey. Apparently this is the guy that turned them on to frauding people on here. He said that he started selling on silkroad a couple of years ago and since then he has made a career of making new seller profiles to sell and then rip people off. He told them how to start on here and how to rip people off and asked for a percentage in return. He said that he showed them everything about how to sell and how to pull it off and all that stuff. He didn't remember all of the account names he uses or used but he said that tony76 and nipplesuckcanuck were two of his names and that he has other seller accounts for people he set up or is running himself. I also went and looked at all of the possessions they seized from him. The laptops were empty besides Tor and a couple other programs. The USB sticks he had were packed full of text files with thousands of addresses from all around the world. We destroyed everything we seized from him, but I kept a text file that was named "blackmail.txt" that had a ton of addresses in it like the other text files. Since you mentioned that he was trying to blackmail you with that information, I kept that text file in case you needed it. If you don't need it, let me know and I will destroy it. I also have the picture with me. A question before I send it to you. I am not extremely good with all this anonymity computer operations, but I know that pictures store GPS information and the likes that police can use in evidence. Is it safe to send it over here like that? We took care of him at one of our safe houses so that worries me a little. I trust your judgement, so I was wondering if there was a way to delete the GPS information from a picture before I send it over the internet. Another quick question regarding bitcoins. How do we withdraw them? I paid the hitters with my own money until I figure out how bitcoins work exactly. As I understand it, mtgox is the main exchange. Is it safe to make an account there to withdraw? Can they link it back to SilkRoad? They require verification which bothers me a little so I figured you would know the best way
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 4/2/2013 Yes, you can destroy the info. Thanks for taking a look first. Regarding image metadata, you can strip all of that out and it is a good practice. The upload page is secure, but I would still have access to that metadata. Of course you can trust me, but what if I was compromised? Do a search of "remove image metadata". A decent one for windows can be found here: http://www.steelbytes.com/?mid=30 Regarding bitcoin withdrawal, I would avoid mt gox if at all possible, especially if you are withdrawing to a USA account. There are many other exchanges that don't have so much attention on them. You can find a list here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade#Currency_exchanges I am reluctant to give you a specific recommendation, but look for ones offshore on that list that will do an international wire transfer for a direct bitcoin payment. tony76 and nipplesuckcanuck were both blights on an otherwise great track record. What do you think about going after Andrew Lawsry? This guy has probably ripped off millions of $ at this point from me and the rest of the Silk Road community.
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 4/4/2013 Are you sure the name isn't Andrew Lawry? Or some other variant? I can't find a surname anywhere of Lawsry. And do you have any other info at all on this person?
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 4/5/2013 I have sent the file. I had to make sure I did the information removal properly before I sent it so that it did not send GPS information with the picture in case it was intercepted somehow. Please delete the picture as soon as you take a look at it. As for the name, It's Andrew Lawsry aka tony76 aka nipplesuck canuck aka some other names I do not know. From what I got from FriendlyChemist , he has other names on here as well or is working with other vendors on here like I mentioned before. As for your question about going after him, I would need to do some asking around to see what kind of information my guys can get on him. Would you like me to look into it?
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 4/5/2013 Yes please. If you can find him, I would like to know.
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 4/5/2013 Did you get the picture? Let me know so I can delete the rest of the ones I have. Finding him would be possible. I can almost guarantee it, but I stop short of guaranteeing anything unless I am 100% certain I can get the job done. I do that so I don't look like an idiot if I can't accomplish something I have said I can. We have a huge stake in the trafficking on this side of the country, so If he is grabbing product from anyone, we would be able to find out who and get to him. Would you want him dealt with if possible? I ask because I don't want to send people to hunt for him, and then nothing come of it once they find him. Please don't forget to delete that picture
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 4/5/2013 I've received the picture and deleted it. Thank you again for your swift action. I would like to go after Andrew, though it is important to me to make sure he is who Blake said he is. I would rather miss the chance to take him out, than hit an innocent person. If he is our man, then he likely has substantial assets to be recovered. Perhaps we can hold him and question him? I'd like to connect with you in real-time chat to discuss this with you further. I have a secure system set up that we can connect through. It requires downloading the chat client pidgin, and the plugin off-the-record (OTR) and some basic configuration to connect. If you are open to the idea, I'll send you the instructions. This is how I communicate with my closest people. If not, we can keep it here, but it is much slower.
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 4/5/2013 It was my pleasure. I hate thieves almost as much as I hate informants. About holding and questioning someone. It adds to the risk somewhat the longer we have a target/transport a target. The safest way is to get in, do it, and get out as soon as possible. Are there any way to verify he is the intended target? Making him speak would not be a problem and of course we would not have him done in if he was not right person we were looking for. Since you said you'd like to go after him, I will send 2 of my guys to go do some recon right now and find out what I can about him and get back to you immediately. We can discuss price later once we know more. As for the real time chat, send the information over and I will have my tech guy look at it. He handles all my security with phones and pgp blackberries so he would probably know better than me how to set everything up
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 4/6/2013 My gut tells me he's our man, but I would hate to be wrong. Your men were able to get info from Blake, maybe they can do the same with Andrew. He is likely sitting on many thousands of stolen bitcoins perhaps tens of thousands, so I would think we'd want to "work him over" to get those funds back. They could be on an encrypted drive only he can unlock. Taking him out would erase those coins forever. In the process of getting him to return the funds, I hope we could confirm that he is indeed the one Blake says he is. Here are the instructions for accessing the chat server from a windows computer: 1. download and install pidgin (http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/pidgin/Pidgin/2.10.7/pidgin-2.10.7.exe) 2. close pidgin 3. download and install off-the-record (OTR) 4. start pidgin 5. enable OTR from the plugins menu 6. make sure Tor is running 7. create a new account 8. basic settings 8.a. protocol: XMPP 8.b. username: kc2HziJvxgvA4tWo 8.c. domain: pi5mmj2ronhutyxv.onion 8.d. password: LXO9GDMQVddqBFBu 9. advanced 9.a. connect port: 5222 10. proxy 10.a. proxy type: Tor/Privacy (SOCKS5) 10.b. Host: 127.0.0.1 10.c. Port: 9150 11. add the account. if it doesn't connect, double check the socks port tor is listening on and change step 10.c. accordingly 13. add buddy "dread". if I'm online we'll connect. there are a few more steps to finalize OTR, but those can be done once we're chatting.
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 4/6/2013 I got all the information correct, but when I try to connect it is stuck on "connecting" I have the correct port that tor is listening on
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 4/6/2013 I have found out who Andrew is exactly and who he was picking up his supply from. I talked to his supplier and he said he mainly grabbed Heroin,Coke,MDMA and LSD. He said he always goes through phases where he grabs a ton of product, and then stops for a couple of weeks and then starts again. Sounds consistent with what Friendly chemist said about how they run the stealing from the buyers on here. He said last he heard from Andrew (a couple of days ago), he said he was planning on moving out of the province because things were too hot down here. That might be because he has found out about Xin and FriendlyChemist and is now scared. I also had a chance to actually sit down and talk to my hitters about exactly what happened and how everything went down in detail. They said that FriendlyChemist was pleading with them and offering to give up Andrew, and that Andrew was a seller here by the name of Tony and a bunch of other names (nipplesuckcanuck, amongst others). He said that when he first turned them on to the idea of doing this big scheme that he would often talk about how he stole so much money, and that he once stole 15,000 online currency coins from 1 person on this site, and how easy stealing money was on here. Does that ring a bell? Did he steal 15,000 BitCoins from a buyer here? That would be an easy way to find out if this Andrew person is the same person you think it is. Do you have his transaction history to see if he did actually steal 15,000 BitCoins from someone? I trust my hitters to do a good job, and they are excellent at what they do..Which is take people out, or interrogate/scare people, and they told me they didn't think he was lying. The info I have on him right now, is that he works/lives with 3 other people and they all sell product together. They are planning on leaving the province soon (I don't know when). He is in contact with his supplier, who actually through a line of middlemen gets his product from us a the end of the food chain. Do you want to deal with this Andrew guy, or do you want me to put the team on standby?

DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 4/6/2013 I am confident enough that it is him to move forward. Can we round up all 4 of them, separate them, and get them to out each other and give up their stolen money? Recovering the funds is going to be tricky if you aren't in direct contact with your team, or if your team doesn't know how bitcoins work. If you have the other usernames FC mentioned, that will help me piece together things on my end. Regarding chat, there should be a certificate you have to accept when it connects. does that show up?
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 4/6/2013 It won't even connect. It just is stuck on connecting.nI copy and pasted all the information for the login and password etc so it should be good. I also checked tor to see what port to use. Won't connect for some reason. Do I have to fill in any more of the details? Local alias or anything like that? As for getting all 4, it would be possible but they would have to get them all at once so that one does not get away. I would send 4 hitters instead of 2 to make sure there was no fuck ups. I'm not sure when they are planning on leaving the province though. The guy that has been feeding me information on him says the guy is a degenerate gambler so I don't know how much funds he will have on hand. He says he owes a ton of people money too. My guess is that he is pulling these scams to fuel his gambling problem like a degenerate. It would make sense why he is also teaching other people how to scam as well when it has been so profitable for him to keep to himself.. probably because he owes them money and offers to show them how to do it, as a way of paying them back. I will have them take whatever they have on hand, but I don't want my hitters to be hanging around with them for too long since they are doing 4 people. Unfortunately there are no bulk discounts for jobs like this. Usually the price goes up the more difficult it is. Since you are easy to work with, I would be able to offer you the same rate as last time x 4. If that works for you, let me know. If it doesn't, please also let me know as soon as you can so I can call my guys off. They've been doing info gathering this whole time on Andrew and his crew
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 4/6/2013 Ok, let's just hit andrew and leave it at that. Try to recover the funds, but if not, then not. How much do you need for this? I'm not sure what the problem could be with chat. Please upload some screenshots of the settings you are using and the main pidgin window.
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 4/8/2013 If you want to hit Andrew only, I can have it done for 150 just like last time. We wouldn't be able to do it at their place though because there are always at least a few of them there from what I'm told since it is their home/office. So we wouldn't be able to recover any of his things. It's up to you what you want done, but we can't send hitters into their house/office if they are only doing one of them. Do you not need the people he is working with dealt with also? If they are all working with him, it means they are doing the same thing as him. It would also be easier for the hitters to get them in there so that they have a chance of recovering anything if he has anything there. It would also be better because it wouldn't be a public hit. If we take just Andrew, there's nothing to say that the other 3 won't start up somewhere else with new selling IDs. It is of course up to you what you want done and how, since you are they client. I was pretty certain you would want them all taken care, so I had an associate send me a couple of his out of town hitters to accompany our local hitters. It's not a problem as I can just send them back and cover their travel expenses, but I obviously would like for them to not go back empty handed. My mistake for not confirming what you wanted before I had the extra hitters sent down, but it's not really a problem if you don't want the others dealt with. I had a hard time connecting to silkroad for the last 24 hours or I would have asked before having them sent down. So if you would like to do the others as well, I would be able to have it done for 500k USD. If you do not want all of them,and just Andrew it would be 150k. I would prefer to do all 4 as it would be better than having to get Andrew somewhere else and have no chance of recovering any potential product/money he may have. Anything recovered would be split 50/50 with you. If you are certain he has that much product/money I think it would make sense to do it at their home/officer. It's up to you though, just let me know what do do as soon as you can since I do not know when they are leaving the province, and if they do leave the province the price would go up exponentially. If you would like just Andrew done send 150k USD to the same address you sent the other funds to. If you would like all 4 of them done, and product/money recovered from there send 500k USD to the same address you sent the other funds to. - As for pidgin, my tech guy is not here to do the picture gps scrubbing, so I will just send the screenshots of pidgin as soon as he is able to stop by. I will write down the settings in the meantime. #ERROR! Protocol: XMPP Username: kc2HziJvxgvA4tWo Domain: pi5mmj2ronhutyxv.onion Resource: EMPTY Password: LXO9GDMQVddqBFBu "Remember password" box - CHECKED #ERROR! Local alias: EMPTY New mail notifications: UNCHECKED Use this buddy icon for this account: UNCHECKED Create this new account on this server: UNCHECKED #ERROR! Connection security: Require encryption Allow plaintext auth over unencrypted streams: UNCHECKED Connect port: 5222 Connect server: EMPTY File transfer proxies: proxy.eu.jabber.org BOSH URL: EMPTY Show custom smileys: Checked #ERROR! Proxy type: Tor/Privacy (SOCKS5) Host:127.0.0.1 Port: 9151 Username: EMPTY Password: EMPTY I also pressed advanced in Tor and checked to see what port it used under the Settings >> Advanced and it says under Tor Control: CHECKD - Use TCP Connection (ControlPort) Address: 127.0.0.1 : 9151 I'm not sure why it is not working. It is just stuck on "Connecting" every time I try and connect. Latest version of tor/pidgin/OTR. In the morning I will check bitcoin wallet first thing, and I will know what you want me to do based on how much you sent, and I will have it done asap. Speak to you soon.
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 4/8/2013 I see your problem, you need port 9150, not 9151. 9151 is the control port, 9150 is the socks port. hmm... ok, I'll defer to your better judgement and hope we can recover some assets from them. $500k in btc (3,000 @ $166/btc) has been sent to: 1MwvS1idEevZ5gd428TjL3hB2kHaBH9WTL transaction number: e7db5246a810cb76e53314fe51d2a60f5609bb51d37a4df105356efc286c6c67
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 4/9/2013 I was finally able to connect but it seems you are offline. I will have them go take care of that thing asap. I will update you as soon as I hear more
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 4/9/2013 Glad to hear you could connect. I am connected quite a bit, so keep trying and I'm sure we'll cross paths.
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 4/11/2013 Hey there. Still haven't been able to catch you on pidgin. I added you as a buddy but you don't show up in my buddies list. When adding a buddy, I leave everything blank and just put the username as "dread", correct? Our hitters have been watching their house and we have a 1 week window to do it, but I wanted to ask you a couple questions before giving them the green light. The price of bitcoins is trading at 61USD right now. How is this going to work, because you mentioned that you would take care of price fluctuations. We haven't withdrawn any of the bitcoins. Can you also give me some insight on this price business? I have been rallying our people to get involved will selling on here, and they seem very interested but they are saying we would lose money because of the price going up and down so much and not being able to withdrawal fast enough to not lose money.
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 4/12/2013 Check out this link: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Seller's_Guide Pay special attention to the part about escrow hedging. I don't think this place would be possible with out it, at least not in the form it's in now. Regarding the 3k coins I sent, get the best price you can for them and let me know if you are short and I will send more to cover it. Regarding chat, I made a mistake. You should add me as dread@pi5mmj2ronhutyxv.onion I'm going to try to connect us manually, so that may not be necessary.
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 4/15/2013 That problem was dealt with. I'll try to catch you online to give you details. Just wanted to let you know right away so you have one less thing to worry about
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 4/15/2013 thanks, see you on chat.
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 4/17/2013 3:30PST tried to catch you online, but no luck. Want to link up at the same time tomorrow?
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 4/18/2013 Sure, I'll make sure I am online at 3:30 pm PST.
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 4/18/2013 It's nearly 4pm PST. I need to run some errands. I will probably be back on later though.
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 4/21/2013 Sorry I wasn't able to make it on. I've had some problems I've been dealing with. I came online today to see If i could catch you, but no luck. I will wait online until 6pm PST. I'll give you a brief rundown here, just to let you know what happened. My crew did their job. As far as money/product/bitcoins/seller accounts/ - Money: They had 15,000CAD on site Product: They had 1/4 Kilo of Cocaine and 2oz of Heroin Bitcoins: They have been giving a third party bitcoins who cashes them out for them. The guy has roughly 350 bitcoins of theirs currently owing to them. The exchange guy is not in on their scam, and is just some exchanger who sends them funds via Western Union and they have been using him from the start apparently. I don't know what do do about that. Seller accounts: There were in the process of setting up another account to sell heroin and cocaine. They said a few of their friends know about this, so be on the lookout if anyone from Canada starts to sell heroin and cocaine. I also took a big loss. After you sent me the extra coins to cover the price going down when it was at 90, it started to crash again. It was at 65 and people were talking about how it's going to go down even more, so I made a deal with an exchanger to take them all at 50 and sell them for me in case it went down even lower. Of course after I made that deal, it has now started to rebound again, but I'm out 250k. I am not telling you this because I think you should cover it. In fact I don't want you to cover it. You already did more than you needed to do when you covered the price crashing the first time. I am just letting you know, because this will cause a delay in us starting here, because I was planning on covering the mens wages of 1000/day of street money to start selling on here until it gets busy enough for them to be paid via a percentage of what they sell here. It was my mistake for not arranging someone to take the entire bitcoin amount as soon as I had received it, instead of letting it sit and have the price crash. Hope to catch you online soon, as I have started on that reading material and I love what I am reading so far. Talk soon
DreadPirateRoberts	To: RedAndWhite, 4/21/2013 ok, I'll look for you as well, but probably won't be online for the whole day again until Tuesday.
RedAndWhite	To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 6/1/2013 Hey I have some news regarding our organization selling on here. A bunch of chapter leaders flew in to town for a meeting and the main topic of discussion was actually Silk Road. Would you be able to meet on pidgin at 3PM PST on Sunday to discuss? There was quite a bit of stuff covered in the talk